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AC Angie Chang
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Everything Hillary Clinton has said is part of a peculiar genre of self-defeating “liberal” propaganda on the topic of Israel–Palestine. Clinton is rational and informed and understands, as she writes in The Atlantic, that “the only way to ensure Israel’s future as a secure, democratic, Jewish state is by achieving two states for two peoples. … There is no other choice.” She cannot acknowledge, however, the historical events that have led to the present situation, which clearly show that the primary obstacle to a two-state solution is not any Palestinian faction: It’s the government of Israel. She repeatedly claims that it’s been Palestinians who have stood in the way of any kind of permanent peace. Of course, this makes her call for a two-state solution appear like the worst kind of liberal naïveté — and is therefore a huge gift to the U.S. and Israeli right. After all, if even the extremely liberal Hillary Clinton admits that Palestinians don’t want peace, why should Israel even try? The degree to which her Atlantic essay is riddled with historical inaccuracies is startling, especially given that she brags about her “decades of experience in the region.” The article begins in November 2012 with a tale of her knocking on the door of President Barack Obama’s hotel room early in the morning during a visit to Cambodia. “Then, like now,” Clinton writes, “the extreme Islamist terror group Hamas had sparked a crisis by indiscriminately attacking Israeli civilians.” She and Obama debated whether she should fly to the Middle East and try to broker a ceasefire in what Israel had dubbed Operation Pillar of Defense. This was a difficult decision, she writes, because she and Obama “knew Hamas had a history of breaking agreements and could not be trusted.” Nevertheless, they decided she should go. She succeeded in negotiating a halt to the conflict, after about 100 Palestinian and two Israeli civilians died, along with military personnel on both sides. Clinton says she was left uneasy. “I worried that all we’d really managed to do was put a lid on a simmering cauldron that would likely boil over again in the future,” she writes. “Unfortunately, that fear proved correct. In 2014, Hamas violated the cease-fire and started another war.” This is close to the opposite of reality.
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The Lebowski
Do you live in an alternate reality, Angie? Because I'm pretty sure that just last month as announcements were being made about the Abrahamaic Accords about to be signed between Israel and Saudi Arabia, Palestinian Hamas fighters broke the ceasefire, crossed into Israel and murdered and maimed 7500 people, dragging 240 Israelis into Gaza's tunnels as hostages. You say Clinton is lying, and you give absolutely zero evidence to the contrary. You're a contrarian without a leg to stand on. If Palestinians have a path to peace, it will only come as peace alongside Israel and a refusal to any longer be the violent marionettes of their Arab sponsors.
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Kevin Collins
Netanyahu has never supported a Palestinian state and has supported Hamas, directly and indirectly, for decades to keep the Palestinian Authority weak and unable to negotiate for one ➔ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/
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The Lebowski
He supported Hamas to bring stability and capable governance to Gaza, and it blew up in his face. That's not the same as what you're implying, which is a lie.
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Kevin Collins
How about in his own words ➔ “Whoever is against a Palestinian state should be for” transferring the funds to Gaza, because maintaining a separation between the PA in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza helps prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state (https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/netanyahu-money-to-hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-palestinians-divided-583082) Right wing Israeli support for Islamic groups extends back to their founding, whether you choose to believe it or not.
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Sheets
Just report Angie for the hate in her posts.
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